There's been much comment and discussion in the press and on my teevee about the US or some sort of multinational force (heh, as if) setting up a No-Fly Zone (NFZ) over Libya to prevent the batshit crazy Qaddafi from murdering his own people. I saw Secretary Gates' remarks before a congressional committee on the subject and he was pretty lukewarm on the ideer. This morning I got an e-mail from Michael Dunn, the president of the Air Force Association, on the same subject. Here are some of Mr. Dunn's salient points:
The central issue, in my mind, with a no-fly zone (NFZ) is a policy one. What do you want to do? It is too facile to say: Stop aircraft from killing people and destroying things ... as it begs the question of: “Soooooo, are you OK with ground forces killing people and destroying things?” If the latter is answered in the negative, then the air piece is only one part of a larger answer. [I worry this option is being considered just to be seen as “Doing Something.”]A second, but lesser important question is: How long do you want to do this. If the answer is: We don't know ... but plan for a month or so. Then we'll need a couple hundred aircraft for 24/7 ops ... and either 3-4 carriers plus land-based support or bases in nearby nations or both. Italy is the best choice ... and to get its OK, we'll need either a NATO sign off, a UN Security Council Resolution, or just plain leaning on a good friend with a weak government. Other basing options are a bit unsavory. Egypt probably won't help ... neither will Tunisia. Algeria has its own terrorist problems. Israel won't want to be seen in an active role. Other African choices are pretty far away with little infrastructure.[...]A subset of the first issue -- more in the tactical realm -- is you would want to take out some of the air defenses no matter what systems you use ... and that means killing Libyan troops ... with all the unintended consequences of such actions. Secondly, what do you do about helicopters? They are hard to kill ... especially if they know you are coming. What if they just set down on the top of a building? You can't get them with an air-to-air missile; you'd need bombs [or as some of our members have pointed out – bullets] ... and that may mean civilian casualties ... especially if you don't hit that which you are aiming. Also, you don't generally configure fighters for both air-to-air missions and air-to-ground ones at the same time. Thus the need for more aircraft.[...]Finally, the Navy is not configured for round the clock operations, except in a short-term surge mode and has to keep a bit of its airpower to defend the fleet. This means less for NFZ ops. The good news is that you would not have to establish a NFZ over the entire country -- probably just the major cities and perhaps a few key air bases.Bottom line: creating a NFZ over the country is “do-able” – but not simple … and I would want to get the policy pieces answered before we embarked on this option.
All of that essentially mirrors what Secretary Gates said to Congress yesterday. Military operations are expensive propositions, not to mention the wear and tear on our already stressed military. I appreciate the humanitarian concerns people have on this issue but we MUST consider the effect the operation would have on the United States. That should be first and foremost... we don't have to be "Team America, World Police" any longer.
While Nato is no longer a serious player, this would be classic a NATO activity. I'm sure the Turks, the Greeks and the Italians can take care of a little backyard "Light Work", right?
ReplyDeleteWe don't have a dog in this fight, as far as I am concerned.
As an former Navy man intimately familiar with Carrier Operations, I take offense to the comment above about “the Navy is not configured for round the clock operations except in short term surge mode and has to keep a bit of its airpower to defend the fleet”, what was it I was doing for 24 hours a day week at a time? I am sure the current format of the modern Carrier Air Wing can support this type of an operation for months at a time giving we were able to with many other aircraft types in the past. The current configuration of mostly different versions of the F/A-18 makes this much easier. Mr. Dunn should limit his comments to what he knows like holding chairs down.
ReplyDeleteThe real issue he outlines in the first paragraph you have shown here, if killing civilians from the Air is bad then killing them from the ground should be stopped as well. That is truly the rub here; we are overcommitted in some other crap-hole to come lend this particular crap-hole some help. I fear as right as it might be to jump in here, the American public is weary of committing blood and treasure to another Muslim community that will not appreciate our sacrifice.
Let them kill themselves off I say, less for us to worry about in the long run.
BT: Jimmy T sends.
Damn it, Buck, stop using logic, we're talking about feeeeling good...and the president has a big ole D next to his name...it’s not we’ll be having body counts or any UN resolution and there certainly will not be any anti-war marches, no sirree. Besides, the demonstrators are busy in WI and OH standing up for the "rights" of the poor, repressed unionsitas. Fight the Power!!!
ReplyDeletePlease correct me, but didn’t Saddam invade Kuwait, have a bloody ten yr. war w/Iran, gas his own people, pay Palestinian suicide bombers, allow terrorists to hang out in his country… and libs thought W was wrong for bringing him down and “rushed” (after 12 months at the UN) to war to do it…but ole Marmedook Qadaffy has to go…NOW!
And the religion of peace can claim another ME state…
I guess I missed the congress voting on this.
"we don't have to be "Team America, World Police" any longer."
ReplyDeleteAmen to that.
I second Dan's amen.
ReplyDeleteDarryl: Turkey, Greece, and Italy ain't got the horses... let alone the will power... to enforce a NFZ. Now if NATO or the Arab League or even the UN (less OUR money, of course) want to fund this activity, then that's a different story. Except for the increase in OpTempo.
ReplyDeleteJimmy: Don't be so thin-skinned. Mr. Dunn wasn't sayin' the Navy weren't capable of 7x24 ops, only that they/you currently aren't MANNED for the type of ops an NFZ would require. Northern/Southern Watch was a joint USN/USAF exercise, but USAF had bases in close proximity to the AOR and flew a great percentage of the missions. An NFZ over Libya would be almost an entirely naval operation due to the geographic constraints.
Small-Tee: re: Congress. Didja see Kerry and McCain rip Gates on this subject? Seems like they're hot to trot on this... dunno why.
Lou and Dan: I'm glad ya both agree. I'm gettin' pretty tired of it myself.
Dapper Dan said it best!
ReplyDeleteI dont think America should get involved.
ReplyDeleteThere's another reason no-fly zones suck: the biggest case of fratracide was executed on the Iraq no-fly zone.
ReplyDeleteMore friendlies died than the enemy.
Fighter pilots love pulling the trigger. It feels good!