Exhibit A
First and foremost: I stole Exhibit A from Lin…who has written a wonderful and provocative post about the guidance contained within Exhibit A and the mindset of the modern Pioneer Woman. Which, if you know Lin, is mostly tongue-in-cheek. And VERY few people “do” a post of the tongue-in-cheek variety than Lin. Do go if you haven’t been.
But let us continue. Here it is… 1400 hrs as I type (and 1500 hrs, as I post...this took a LONG time to write!) and I’m still working on my “morning” coffee and making the rounds, which are incomplete…still. But, time being of the essence and all that, I’ve decided to write today’s post and delay the completion of the rounds until this is done. If it gets done.
Now about Exhibit A, which you may or may not have already “clicked for larger.” If you haven’t go ahead and do it now…I’ll wait.
Back? Didja laugh yer a$$ off while absorbing that sage advice? Or did you read it while compressing your lips into that fine white line while muttering “The horror! The horror!”, assuming you’re a woman? Either reaction is normal in our post-feminist day and age, Gentle Reader. Especially if you’re younger than…say… forty. But reading this advice provokes an entirely different reaction in those of us…some of us… “of a certain age.” “Nostalgic” comes to mind. Or, the realization that the 1950s really were simpler times, a time when
Conventional wisdom aside, the world was largely populated with people of the female persuasion who didn't have a problem with the way things were. Really.
Things were different back then. One of my favorite memories of my adolescence is of standing in the kitchen with Mom, talking as she made the evening pitcher of martinis. There was a ritual associated with this act, and it was performed at precisely the same time, Monday through Friday... simply because Dad always arrived home at the same time, plus/minus five minutes, at the most. The penultimate act of this dance was Mom pouring the martinis into chilled glasses as Dad's car came up the driveway. She'd be at the door, martini in hand, as he walked in... (I could go on, but hey this is a comment... not my blog.) ;-)
I kid thee not. It really was this way, every single day. It was good to be the King, once upon a time.
The martinis weren’t the end of it, either. Dinner was already in its final stages of preparation, and it was dinner…not fast-food stuff. Mom and Dad always retired to their bedroom while he changed clothes and they emerged a few minutes later to sit down in the living room and have their second drink before dinner was put on the table. Children weren’t allowed to intrude on the adults during that period of time…it was Mom and Dad, only. But we kids had our moments, at the dinner table.
Dinner was a family-affair…none of this grazing stuff… we ate together as a family almost every night (there were exceptions to this rule, even in 1955). You might think that’s simply a ritual, and it was. But it was important ritual...family time, bonding, and all that. The family dinner is one of those items of conventional wisdom for the time that seems to have gone by the boards. I suspect if you dug deeper into any issue of Housekeeping Monthly in 1955 you’d find guidance on the hows and whys of family dinners. Among other things. But… digressions ‘r’ us.
There’s a bit of “over the top” sort of guidance that my Mom would have laughed at in Exhibit A (blood would have flowed freely had Dad stayed out all night), but there’s a lot more that she would have nodded her head up and down about. Some of the advice is simple common sense for any relationship, assuming you re-word the advice to make it friendlier to 21st Century ears. Things like show your mate you value them. Do the “random acts of kindness” thing, like slipping off his shoes…or her shoes…and massaging their feet. Be happy and positive. I’m sure you get my drift.
My larger point is women generally bought into this type of advice back then. And, of course there were women in this age cohort that absolutely, positively rejected the conventional wisdom of the 1950s, and made very successful careers out of doing so. Women like Germaine Greer, Gloria Steinem, and Betty Friedan. That said, speaking as someone who grew up in the 50s and has watched the whole “feminism” movement unfold throughout the course of my life, I have to ask: Are we really better off today than we were back then? Really? Are our kids smarter and more successful in school? Are our neighborhoods safer? Are our marriages more, not less, secure? And…bottom line… are women happier today than they were back then?
Rhetorical questions, all. The answers might be yes, they might be no, they might be “sorta.” But as for me, I get a certain sort of sadness when I’m glancing at the magazine rack while in the checkout line at Safeway and see things like “50 Sex Tricks That Will Drive Him Wild” on the covers of Cosmo and other “womens” magazines. That, Gentle Reader, would be called smut back in 1955. And no…it’s NOT better. I’d much prefer to see stuff like Advice for a Good Wife, if’n I had my druthers.
And so endeth the (kinder and gentler) rant.
So do you think that is for real? I'd read somewhere that it was actually a forgery, intended to be snarky and belittling to the pre-feminist woman's role.
ReplyDeleteBut no matter, I don't think things are better. I know I'm not happier than I would be if I were able to stay at home. Otherwise, I don't know if I could answer your questions objectively. My religious beliefs play too much of a role in my views of men and women, and their roles in life.
I'm younger than the age of forty (for a couple months at least) that you say will cringe at the list. I laughed at some of the over the top ones, but in actuality, if you treat your husband like a King, he will treat you as a Queen. period. or you don't have a "real" man.
ReplyDeleteI really believe in the family dinner table too, tying to keep it up while it's just me and the kids. As for the martinis, Stuntman doesn't drink, except for the occasional German beer, but I always make sure there is a cold Diet Mt. Dew waiting for him :)
Becky: Snopes sez undetermined... FWIW. Snopes ain't the be-all, end-all in the debunking biz, but it's danged sure better than most. I trust 'em.
ReplyDeleteTripleE sez: if you treat your husband like a King, he will treat you as a Queen. period. or you don't have a "real" man.
Truer words never spoken. It's the respect thing, all over again. Remind me to tell you about TSMP and "ironing my uniforms" some time... ;-)
Correction, Becky. The graphic IS a fabrication, but the text? Undetermined.
ReplyDeleteSometimes I wish things were as simple as all this back then (but could I just be one of the kids, not the mom? Looks like too much work! But I really like the idea of a clean house when hubby comes home, not the chaos that usually reigns in my house). Life seems so complicated now. I do, however, try to make us dinner nearly every night. And most of the time something from scratch, not out of a box (though I have nothing against Hamburger Helper and Stove Top. But I WILL NOT do instant potatoes of any kind). I'm sure my schedule will change a little now, since I will be in town at least four days a week for basketball practice and church (IF I feel like going to the latter). I'm more apt to stop by McDs or bring home some pizzas.
ReplyDeleteBut my own personal belief is that someone should be home with the kids if at all possible. Call me old-fashioned, or anti-feminist. Why have kids if you don't want to be home to raise them? I understand extreme situations (after all, my parents were divorced so I was one of those day-care kids. And boy, I was horrid!!). Oh, I could go on and on about this, but like you said earlier: this is a comment, not my blog. LOL!
Careful there. Speaking truth is the surest way to end up in trouble. ;-)
ReplyDeleteSergeant,
ReplyDeleteMy brother, sister and I were raised by our maternal grandparents. So I think I can relate to what you're saying more than most of my age (43). And right on, especially in the freedoms they gave us to screw up and learn.
My nostalgia (apologies to Lileks) is in the 70's, maybe early 80's.
Ms. Jenny,
Scratch mashed potatoes ALWAYS? Let me just say Grandma (Mother title for me) had the same philosophy and I can only occasionally stand them today-- also that they were a staple almost every night. On the rare occasion Grandma made 'instant' (a new fangled thing and rather expensive ca. 1975) we kids and Grandpa loved them. But they were seen as a treat, not a convenience.
I like Stove-Top and Hamburger Helper, too. In our lives they seem like "cooking." We use Stove Top to make the most awesome stuffed pork chops around (thank you Emeril and the Food Channel).
Relationships between Hubby and Wife came up tonight in the debate, as I'll bet our host watched. I liked Huckabee's response to the attack about Baptists' views about marriage: It ain't 50-50, but 100-100, in the give and take. Simplistic and ideal, but inspiring.
Don't want to have to vote for him though, for other reasons.
Yours.
Money has a lot to do with this, you know. It may be respectful to hold your mate to a loftier standard in some cases, but it's just discourteous to expect her to do what your mother did, when she works and momma didn't.
ReplyDeleteAnd Nixon and Carter really screwed up the economy. This is just a historical fact. When the lady of the house has to work too, things will be functioning a little different.
Nevertheless -- when there is a cultural taboo at work against a lady going out of her way just to make her stud happy, that is going too far. It's the kind of thing that looks reasonable at the time but silly and sad 40 years later.
I've probably done more arguing on this than most, because of my son. Hey, he asks about it. What am I gonna do? Now "Kidzmom" has objected to my sexism on more than one occasion, but actually she's more hostile to the man-bashing feminist movement than I am...her objections have more to do with saying the right things to "fit in." Which -- she admits this herself -- inspires a tendency on the part of her, and those who are on her side of the fence, to dribble out some regrettable nonsense.
Are women happier today than they were back then? Simplicity is a dangerous thing, but I've noticed in the prior generations the trend holds that if the marriage was a mutually respectful and faithful one, the ladies were happy. Some of those older couples I knew for a very long time. Now, if the husband had a wandering eye, there was some real unhappiness, granted...and I think that is what the feminist movement was supposed to address, because if you're being mistreated and the other party has all the power, there's not much that can be done.
But in this respect, it seems to me the movement has failed because that particular issue about the fidelity of men has not been resolved head-on. Oh, they got the menial legal tasks associated with negativity accomplished quickly enough -- custody, alimony, etc.
But "gentlemen" cheat on their ladies just as often now as they did back then, if not a whole lot more. And there is a not-much-discussed aspect to the feminist movement, it seems to me, that deals with accepting this in ways it wasn't accepted back then. Furthermore, I would observe, it would seem to me not only is this an aspect to the feminist movement less talked about than most, it is also less successful than most. The modern woman, especially the one whose dad was faithful and genuinely loving to her mom, isn't so interested in Twenty Blow Job Techniques He'll Never Forget, as she is in finding the truly respectful, life-long union that momma made look easy.
She'll go to amazing lengths to avoid admitting it, but it's true. And she's unhappy about it.
In the end, the feminist movement is just another labor union movement. Things labor unions have been known to solve, it has solved...all the rest of it, it hasn't.
Hey Buck, have you seen this? Nails the whole thing pretty soundly...while trying to be nothing more than a slightly silly romantic comedy. Available only on VHS, to the best I can find out. DAMN, what an amazing, breathtakingly gorgeous woman she was.
When first reading the graphic, I thought that there was nothing wrong with women doing things to please her husband. Running an efficient home, making your husband happy, etc. is great. When I got to the part about the husband staying out all night and doing things without her, I began to question the article. As you said, “blood would flow…” There were lots of good comments and thoughts mentioned in your post. Valuing your mate is one of the best. Whether a wife works or not, valuing, giving, loving, cherishing are always important – from both husband and wife.
ReplyDeleteDid the women’s movement hurt or help? Maybe both. It opened doors for women to work and get equal compensation for their work, but it sure hurt the family unit and confused everyone (I’ve blogged my opinion before). I think the women’s movement did more for men than was meant to do. In fact, wdomen sort of shot themselves in the foot in some ways.
Staying home and raising your children is a great privilege; so is loving your husband and keeping your home happy.
Reese,
ReplyDeleteI have never even tasted instant mashed potatoes. I wouldn't know if they were any different or not, but I know my mother, grandmothers, mother-in-law, and myself, have never used instant.
As anyone who knows me will attest:
ReplyDeleteI'm a lucky man!
My honey stays home, cooks dinner, and spoils me a lot. She even takes off my boots and rubs my feet 9 out of 10 workdays! I've never been to a cleaner house (OCD may play a part in this...but who's complaining?) in my life.
In return I make sure she wants for nothing and try to keep a handle on my responsibilities.
Traditional relationship? Maybe...but ours works.
YMMV...
SN1
I do draw the line at taking off honey's boots. After he has spent all day either driving a truck, or plowing, or working cows, or anything else a farmer/rancher does, I don't want to be anywhere NEAR his feet (I do have an aversion to feet. Hate 'em. Hate my own. I seldom even paint my toenails and almost never walk around barefoot).
ReplyDeleteHe does, however, pay the kids a quarter to take off his boots and socks for him. LOL!
Buck, that was a WONDERFUL follow-up! So glad you wrote it while you were still on a roll. And I am very glad that you truly grasped the 'tongue in cheek' in my riposte.
ReplyDeleteI have very mixed feelings on the feminist movement. Having bashed my head painfully on the 'glass ceiling' before it even existed, I know how frustrating that can be. If a woman is not ready to settle down, it bothers me that she might be forced to prematurely because of severe wage disparities. Been there unfortunately.
Would I blame the economy or our own instilled consumerism for the necessity of woman to work outside the home? I happen to think a single male wage-earner can still manage it but are we still tough and disciplined enough to manage it? I think not. Maybe we should trash the media devices such as TV which hammer us that we all need the latest, greatest, pricey products or else we have somehow failed completely as successful, happy people. Materialism is ultimately hollow of any reward if you don't have the true basics covered first. As noted ruefully by older folks I knew who found themselves in the sub-prime crunch, I do wish that public schools would devote more time to practical matters such as personal finance, budgeting and smart consumerism.
I detest replacement of the formal family sit-down meal with the 'on the fly' fast food downloads. There is little family cohesion value to be fostered there.
Treating your husband like a King does NOT universally guarantee that you will be treated like a Queen ... ask me why I have an ex. But I eventually learn from experience and have an angel of the first order angel now (hence the truly tongue-in-cheek post which he laughed heartily over it). He never has or likely ever will suffer a non-scratch meal by my hand. It's the way I treat best friends and he remains my best of best. Heck, I'd even trust him on a trip to the big city with Slim!
Jenny and reese: I'm with you Jenny, on the instant mashed potatoes. There isn't a box of flakes in my house, and there hasn't been... for years and years (if ever). Making "real" mashed potatoes ain't all that hard...
ReplyDeleteJenny also sez: But my own personal belief is that someone should be home with the kids if at all possible. Call me old-fashioned, or anti-feminist.
I wouldn't call you either of those terms. Without flogging a dead horse, or anything, TSMP was thinking about going back to work (long story, there) when she found out she was pregnant. Part and parcel of the discussion when she dropped the "I have something to tell you..." remark was the fact she intended to be a "stay at home" Mom. She got no argument from me...
Morgan: Somehow I just knew you'd have a lil something to say about this subject... ;-)
Money does have a lot to do with this subject, but it is closely coupled with Materialism, capital "M." No long treatises here, except to say "Ain't That America..."
I haven't seen the movie, Morgan, but I DO agree with you: amazing woman.
Lou: I agree with your points.
It's a mixed bag, this feminist thing. But...in reality, I wouldn't want to go back to the 50s. There were a LOT of things that were "right" about that period in our history, but more things were wrong. I pretty much like things as they are today, nostalgia (and the fact no one rubs MY feet) aside.
Buck (SN1) sez: I'm a lucky man!
You are that. Agreed.
Jenny (part deux): You never go barefoot? I'm always barefoot around the house, even in winter. Outside is a different story entirely, tho. Especially around here.
Lin: We don't often experience comments in two-part harmony around here...but you and I were writing virtually the same things at the same time, especially where materialism is concerned. The teevee is the biggest felon in this mass cultural crime, but it has VERY willing accomplices. Too willing. It takes a lot of time and effort to get away from The Big M, and that's one of the reasons (a very big reason) I so admire what you and Mark are doing.
ReplyDeleteOn your other point about kings and queens... Experience is a hard task-master but still the best teacher. School's out for me, tho, when it comes to relationships.
Finally...It's SO good to read that you haven't inflicted boxed food on Mark. Good on ya!
Forgot to mention... NO one commented on my oh-so-clever use of the Jeopardy theme song.
ReplyDelete"I'm hurt. (pause) (pause) But I'll try to go on." (s)he said...
Now, now, now, Buck, don't ever say "schools out for me on relationships", ya hear? I came to that same point back when and decided that I should become just another strange lady in the neighborhood with 42 cats. Then I decided to quiz the few couples I knew who were exceedingly happy with each other. I came up with some astounding commonalities there. First thing was that at least the women had resigned themselves to eternal singlehood after many disappointments and it was at that point that their perfect mate appeared as if by some magic that they had already written off. The second thing they (both male and female) said was "they turned out to be my best friend ... either marry your best friend or don't bother." By George, it worked, too. After your own tumbling in life's abrasives, you are someone's best friend waiting in the wings. Believe me.
ReplyDeleteNope, seldom barefoot. I get up, take a shower, and put my boots on (hair and makeup, too. Because I never know what the day has in store, who may come by, or if I need to run to town and get a part). And they don't come off til I get ready to go to bed. Having my shoes on makes me feel more productive and more at a "job" than just lounging around at home. If I need to run outside, I'm ready. If there is a wasp on the floor, I'm ready. And if there are grass-spurs on the floor from a small child or husband that has tracked it in unknowingly (or I have stepped on yet another Lego), then I'm not in pain. Even if I'm sick, I get up and get dressed down to my shoes. Usually makes me feel a little better just doing that.
ReplyDeleteOther mashed potato notes: not only do I not use instant, I also always use lots of BUTTER, WHOLE MILK (no skim or 2% in my taters!!), and a good helping of salt (I don't like pepper). And sometimes I'll even add shredded cheese and sour cream.
Lin sez: "they turned out to be my best friend ... either marry your best friend or don't bother." By George, it worked, too.
ReplyDeleteI married my best friend 30 years ago this coming June. And I really mean that! The problem, of course, is she decided to end the friendship. I've been to the well numerous times since the break-up, and I've made a few friends in the process. But I've yet to find my (new) Best Friend. After nine years of kissing frogs (including some really GREAT LOOKING and entertaining frogs... but frogs nonetheless) I despair.
I do SO want to believe, Lin. But I don't want to be delusional in the process.
Jenny sez: I also always use lots of BUTTER, WHOLE MILK (no skim or 2% in my taters!!)
Yes! YES!! YES!! We are SO in agreement, here.
And your reasons for not going barefoot make a lot of sense. There's a difference between ranch/farm life and city life, perfectly illustrated here.
Buck, it really hurt to read that part about your best friend changing her mind. Given her age 30 years ago, I can see her (and you) still having some changing to do - sadly, it just happens. I don't doubt that she still has wistful memories and regrets about what could have been though. Sometimes I wonder if some of us need to marry to procreate first and then remarry MUCH later for sheer companionship ... like at about 50+. We are such complex and ever-evolving creatures.
ReplyDeleteSecond the whole milk and butter in the mashed taters! Add a quarter to half a brick of cream cheese and a dash of onion powder (FINELY grated fresh onion is dandy) and I'm heading your way. Mark and I may die a decade earlier than if I feed us sprouts and granola but we will have had the best of times on the way out. I had a cartoon on the subject that I can't find at the moment ... drats.
Is it bad that the first thing that popped into my mind was the Harry Enfield bit about women knowing their limits?
ReplyDeletehttp://youtube.com/watch?v=SjxY9rZwNGU
As for me, well, I'm realistic enough to understand that it takes a different kind of person to make a military marriage work. I have yet to find a female around my age, significant other, just a friend, or otherwise, who would be okay with living the military lifestyle. I'm sure if I find the right person, I might be willing to change my viewpoint, but right now the career is coming first. Not to the extreme, just that I'm not going to be willing to jump ship to get a normal job after the significant other complains after my first deployment.
Oh, and that Cosmo stuff? I've got a fair number of female friends that read that stuff, so I think I would qualify as an authority, and most of the stuff on those lists are either super simple stuff that the chick should know about already or absolutely wrong. When I'm reading through them I find myself going something like this..."Uh-huh, of course, if she doesn't know that she's an idiot, WHAT?!? WTF, that does not sound like fun, obviously yeah, duh, YGBSM"
Or something like that.
Lin sez: Sometimes I wonder if some of us need to marry to procreate first and then remarry MUCH later for sheer companionship ... like at about 50+. We are such complex and ever-evolving creatures.
ReplyDeleteI'll second the "complex creatures" thing. And... TSMP might have done just as you suggested, Lin. We procreated, then she left. (My tongue is firmly in my cheek.) (Short explanation: she was 40 when we had our first and only; she left when SN3 was 18 months old. I think I "got old," in part. Her new husband is 12 years her junior and 23 years younger than I. Gotta admire her ability in that regard, eh?)
Mike sez: Is it bad that the first thing that popped into my mind was the Harry Enfield bit about women knowing their limits?
Naw...you're just a guy who likes women's natural sweetness to shine through. Right?
Oh, and that Cosmo stuff? I've got a fair number of female friends that read that stuff...
One of the things I miss about not being married. Those mags would find there way into the house from time to time, although TSMP was more of a "Woman's Day" kinda person, the odd Cosmo appeared now and then. As you've indicated, Cosmo and the like have high entertainment value...of the unintended sort.
re: Military marriages. You're right about the "different person" thing. I read a few spouse blogs, (Hey ASW and TripleE!!) and I never fail to be impressed with the courage and supportiveness of the women who are married to military guys. The great majority of 'em, anyway. I'm well-aware of the "other" in this space and have had to deal with the consequences of bad choices some of my troops made in the way-back. Not pretty at all.
I'm thinking you're likely to meet such a woman after you go on active duty, Mike. She might even be serving right alongside of you when it happens.
I said: I'm thinking you're likely to meet such a woman after you go on active duty, Mike.
ReplyDeleteDirectly after pontificating about "the other." I HOPE you (and everyone else) understand I meant you'll meet a suitable woman...and not one of those others.
Dang. I need to proof my writing better than I do. Obviously.
Heh, I'm sure I'll meet enough of both kinds. Although this seems to be a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot, as I hadn't really noticed the mistake in the structure of the paragraphs until you pointed it out.
ReplyDeleteSometimes you're just too smart for your own good.