tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post6918311830626092015..comments2023-12-27T13:35:09.431-07:00Comments on Exile in Portales: Plane Pr0n and Other StuffBuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-59626559975820590822011-03-24T20:18:11.333-06:002011-03-24T20:18:11.333-06:00LCDR Hagemann is retiring this summer. Twenty five...LCDR Hagemann is retiring this summer. Twenty five years total. I knew her as Becky Burt(maiden name)<br />Straight from the lady herself on the retirement. <br />One really good A6 Airframer back then.Glenn Mark Casselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305109383344139028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-5711699460911179582011-03-24T11:31:47.971-06:002011-03-24T11:31:47.971-06:00Yeah, I remember that time period as well, Gordon....Yeah, I remember that time period as well, Gordon. And I also thought "WTF?" Is there a juicier target than a tanker? I don't think so...Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-31483604976731803592011-03-23T21:14:08.722-06:002011-03-23T21:14:08.722-06:00I remember when the gals were allowed to fly the t...I remember when the gals were allowed to fly the tankers, because they were "non-combat" aircraft. Like some enemy fighter jock with one missile left ain't gonna hit the tanker instead of the aircraft it was there to refuel.<br /><br />Net result: women were put in a position where they could be shot at, but not allowed to fly a plane that could shoot back. The new rules are better.Gordon Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772014586181361069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-69927367550880430502011-03-23T16:37:00.103-06:002011-03-23T16:37:00.103-06:00Anon1: That's one of the better war stories I...Anon1: That's one of the better war stories I've heard of late!!<br /><br />Deb: I had no ideer TK was an asshat, but it doesn't surprise me. Arrogance often accompanies success.<br /><br />Lou: I didn't think the comment was scattered at all. You covered a lot o' ground in a few words, and that's a GOOD thing.<br /><br />Glenn: As Buck noted below you, those ladies will prolly be wearin' stars before too long.<br /><br />Buck: Good points, and thanks for weighing in.<br /><br />Moogie: You wouldn't BELIEVE how many distaff pilots have turned my head. OTOH, you prolly WOULD.<br /><br />Anon2: Your point is well-taken, too. The staff(s) rarely gets credit.Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-58362656204379082902011-03-23T15:17:47.285-06:002011-03-23T15:17:47.285-06:00To tell the truth, Generals are recipients of endl...To tell the truth, Generals are recipients of endless briefings.<br /><br />She was probably working the OP PLAN at D-120 and was so bored with it, she probably had an O-6 execute the damned thing on D-Day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-82749796888123157302011-03-23T14:46:38.377-06:002011-03-23T14:46:38.377-06:00Have you seen how hot the squared away young pilot...Have you seen how hot the squared away young pilots are in the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels? Of both genders? Flight suits are a thing of wonder upon which to gaze when properly filled out.<br /><br />About the politics of promotion and whether it actually exists -- well, duh. You've heard of the Pentagon, right?Moogie Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05665429537064900337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-73302426355031278502011-03-23T03:42:51.675-06:002011-03-23T03:42:51.675-06:00I think it comes down to timing. The decision to a...I think it comes down to timing. The decision to allow women to fly in tankers (I believe) came before fighters. She's got the requisite rank for the job, and she's already in the existing org structure. As the CC of 17AF, she inherits the AFRICOM theatre and would naturally be in the running for the CFACC position. <br />I was initially surprised it wasn't a Navy Admiral. Usually comes down to who owns the preponderance of the aircraft.<br />Your fighter pilot female C or J FACC is coming...just give it time.afmajbuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00217032897671642295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-38547256570298883102011-03-22T21:04:54.628-06:002011-03-22T21:04:54.628-06:00Colonel Dawn Dunlap, CO
412 Test Wing
F-15 Combat ...Colonel Dawn Dunlap, CO<br />412 Test Wing<br />F-15 Combat time.<br /><br />LCDR Rebecca (Burt) Hagemann<br />Fleet Support Center NW<br />NAS Whidbey Island WA<br />I had her in my Airframes shope in89-91 at VA-128. In the first group of women to serve at sea in Kitty Hawk. Flight Deck Coordinator, Maintenance Controller, Maintenance Officer.<br /><br />Major Carrie Reinhardt<br />F-16 Test Pilot<br />2000 hours in type including the shit in the Stan and Iraq.<br />Launched and recovered many times.<br /><br /><br />Not taking sides, just the experiences.Glenn Mark Casselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305109383344139028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-15000266683139008272011-03-22T19:19:23.838-06:002011-03-22T19:19:23.838-06:00I enjoyed the video. As to women in military lead...I enjoyed the video. As to women in military leadership roles, I have too many thoughts rolling around. This comment may seem scattered. I'm not big on women in the military, period. Having said that, I also think that politicial promotions run the same for men as they do for women. People get promoted when they shouldn't in all sorts of businesses. Presidents get to make military decisions even when they have had no military experience. For some reason, though, I keep thinking of Margaret Thatcher - I thought she was pretty amazing.Bag Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01885412195900280096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-27447752669725780302011-03-22T17:42:40.263-06:002011-03-22T17:42:40.263-06:00Buck, pretty good song and the sentiment is there,...Buck, pretty good song and the sentiment is there, but TK is such an arrogant a$$ that I have a real problem with him and his attitude. One of his daughter's schoolmates called them 'white trash with money'. I have to agree with her (he is anyway).Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03989290418471519434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-53057253424301201392011-03-22T17:38:15.598-06:002011-03-22T17:38:15.598-06:00I think she might have cracked it. Anon, I'm ...<i>I think she might have cracked it.</i> Anon, I'm surprised all you got off with was a cracked rib! We're a little more tough than we're portrayed as. <br />I think the whole point here is that there are some people punted up the ladder who shouldn't be where they're at (male, or female).Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03989290418471519434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-8585693678302971422011-03-22T15:41:03.623-06:002011-03-22T15:41:03.623-06:00We had women in my POW training class. We had a cl...We had women in my POW training class. We had a class of about 120 people, including 10 women. Everyone graduated except one enlisted man who was determined to be too emotional (i.e., PTSD in-place).<br /><br />The physical part of POW training, as in real life, is getting captured. Obviously, these are the people you just bombed, and they <i>may</i> take offense to that.<br /><br />Suffice to say, they <i>did</i> take offense, and thus began Phase I of the training which was to beat the sh*t out of us and take all your clothes away. No simulated stuff there. Blood was produced (or I forgot to duck).<br /><br />So I'm being frisked and kicked around, while the Lt next to me is getting her fair share as well. When we were given some of our clothes back for the march to the camp, I said: "Lt, you sure look a lot better naked then you do with clothes on."<br /><br />That rib still gives me problems when it is cold weather, even 30 years later. I think she might have cracked it. The instructors didn't hurt me, but she sure did.<br /><br />I never saw her again, as she was a new fighter pilot, and I was an enlisted crewdog.<br /><br />Women did as well as the men in that environment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-74293244083803988892011-03-22T15:14:14.486-06:002011-03-22T15:14:14.486-06:00Did someone call you a male chauvinist pig? Not I....<i>Did someone call you a male chauvinist pig? Not I.</i><br /><br />That was just in case, Red. You're not the Lone Ranger where the feminist thang is concerned, either. I know more than a few women who say things to the effect of "what WAS I thinkin'?" That said, I also know some who still buy into it... and those types are right-ROYAL-PITAs.Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-49547958702528509262011-03-22T13:19:08.012-06:002011-03-22T13:19:08.012-06:00Did someone call you a male chauvinist pig? Not I....Did someone call you a male chauvinist pig? Not I.<br /><br />I agree with you. Being an Admiral of a military unit is not the same as being an "Administrator" in my office. I work with women who were, frankly, promoted because of politics or quotas, but those women don't hold lives in their hands.<br /><br />Don't get me started on "women's lib". I was big on that until it came back and bit me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com