tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post8602642451500984670..comments2023-12-27T13:35:09.431-07:00Comments on Exile in Portales: LinkageBuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-55093489263541448582010-10-28T13:40:59.443-06:002010-10-28T13:40:59.443-06:00Nyuk!Nyuk!Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10945901944078164054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-64722308651182735242010-10-28T13:30:24.434-06:002010-10-28T13:30:24.434-06:00Heh. I find myself in agreement with the both of ...Heh. I find myself in agreement with the both of ya. Just sayin'. <b>;-)</b>Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-6642118409675800742010-10-28T11:25:09.919-06:002010-10-28T11:25:09.919-06:00Lou, it ought to!Lou, it ought to!Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10945901944078164054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-60990834133558034422010-10-28T06:33:17.465-06:002010-10-28T06:33:17.465-06:00I just used the "I'd rather fight than sw...I just used the "I'd rather fight than switch" line the other day - it scares me that I'm like Andy.Bag Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01885412195900280096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-34636143309418677682010-10-27T14:46:47.497-06:002010-10-27T14:46:47.497-06:00Did!Did!Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10945901944078164054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-18847096175227074992010-10-27T14:38:18.718-06:002010-10-27T14:38:18.718-06:00Dang! That would be even BETTER! Tell her to bri...Dang! That would be even BETTER! Tell her to bring pizza, too. Yeah, I want it ALL.Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-5149865988699279432010-10-27T14:34:32.389-06:002010-10-27T14:34:32.389-06:00How about I just send you an Amazon?How about I just send you an Amazon?Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10945901944078164054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-40004038150485768222010-10-27T14:26:28.168-06:002010-10-27T14:26:28.168-06:00Don't know if that helps.
It did, and thanks ...<i>Don't know if that helps.</i><br /><br />It did, and thanks for it.<br /><br /><i>I'd rather fight than switch!</i><br /><br />That's from some ciggie ad in the way-back... I think it might have been Tareytons. Girls with black eyes looking languidly into the camera while getting emphysema. How romantic! And attractive!<br /><br />Send me an Amazon gift card.<br /><br />re: moderation. Well, at least I didn't have 140 comments to wade through, like Lex. Praise be to The Deity At Hand!Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-36315895661037049792010-10-27T13:49:57.453-06:002010-10-27T13:49:57.453-06:00"Those types are few and far between,..."..."Those types are few and far between,..."<br /><br />Indeed. And, as I wrote before they have my ultimate respect.<br /><br /><i>"...a blogging platform bigot."</i> Nyuk! Go ahead on and put me in that category, too. Even though The Gooble is Wrong!, and The Globber gots faults, <b>I'd rather fight than switch!</b><br /><br />Catch that one, and win you a prize. Heh! I just realized the age of the crowd around here...Crud! I don't have that many prizes to award.<br /><br />Crud...<br /><br />BTW, I hope you REALLY wanted a bunch of comments to moderate. Because, you got 'em, Pal!Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10945901944078164054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-65918873605277492372010-10-27T13:41:46.186-06:002010-10-27T13:41:46.186-06:00Buck - To me: morals are how you respond to situat...Buck - To me: morals are how you respond to situations you encounter in your life. Principles are how you conduct your own life.<br /><br />Don't know if that helps. Could be that I'm just batshit crazy on this - won't be the first time.Kris, in New Englandhttp://www.noodlingonit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-24633714064837287482010-10-27T13:35:30.235-06:002010-10-27T13:35:30.235-06:00They both believed something like, "Hey, if p...<i>They both believed something like, "Hey, if people want to believe in a god, good on 'em. I'm not going to waste my time and energy telling them how retarded they are.</i><br /><br />Those types are few and far between, and I say that based upon the large majority of the "freedom FROM religion" types. My feelings towards those folks is "Just STFU, why dontcha? Please."<br /><br />And Daphne NEVER lets an opportunity to flog Wordpress pass her by. She's a blogging platform bigot. Heh. I just created... or rather named... another political mini-niche. <b>;-)</b>Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-30234929430172663022010-10-27T12:37:28.433-06:002010-10-27T12:37:28.433-06:00Okay, so since somebody brought it up...
I have k...Okay, so since somebody brought it up...<br /><br />I have known exactly TWO true atheists in my 51 years. And, I have the deepest respect for those TWO.<br /><br />They both believed something like, "Hey, if people want to believe in a god, good on 'em. I'm not going to waste my time and energy telling them how retarded they are. I don't care if they have their little manger scenes at Christmas, or put their commandments up in public. It's ZERO skin off my nose." I actually have known TWO of those personally.<br /><br />The other many dozens of <i>supposed</i> atheists I've met are consumed with a passion to destroy the faith of others. I've likened it to #2 son. When he was a tot, he'd go out in the yard with a little plastic sword, and just swing it wildly at an imaginary enemy.<br /><br />That's what I always think of when I see/hear an "atheist" rail against those that believe in God. I'm like, "Heck, do you not know how juvenile it is to fight an enemy that <i>doesn't exist?</i>" "Do you not realize how foolish, and childish it makes you seem?"<br /><br />Of course, there is always the argument that religious extremism is detrimental to society in general. Heck, I've done my bit on that one with Islam, ad nauseating! <br /><br />But there is one thing that I do know in my knower...<br /><br />We all hit the ground with a conscience...a sense of right and wrong. This does separate us from the pack. Whether nature, or nurture stifles it, or encourages it, I'm not sure.<br /><br />And one other thing I'm sure of is that "comment moderation" at EIP has nothing to do with some possible need to move to Wordpress.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10945901944078164054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-26065744414511545422010-10-27T11:57:19.104-06:002010-10-27T11:57:19.104-06:00...the excellent point that most arguments for ath...<i>...the excellent point that most arguments for atheism are thinly-disguised screeds against religion.</i><br /><br />All too true, that. Some atheists, if not most, are just as strident as the worst religious freak. And your point(s) about conscience is/are well-taken, Rob.<br /><br /><i>Rather like staring at a double rainbow and crying “What does it mean?”</i><br /><br />Not in a philosophical frame of mind today, eh, tim?<br /><br />Kris: I'm not sure how one distinguishes between morals and principles but I'll take your word for it. I'm having a bit of a cogitative hangover this morning.Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-5910609104037086062010-10-27T07:06:25.935-06:002010-10-27T07:06:25.935-06:00Late to the party here; I did throw my thoughts ou...Late to the party here; I did throw my thoughts out at Lex's place. Fortified by some extra coffee as that is one intellectual group.<br /><br />As someone who is rediscovering their Christian faith, I think this is a combination of things that are dependent on the environment you were raised in, whether you had a religious upbringing or not, whether you had a moral upbringing or not, etc...<br /><br />I suspect that Ms. Petkov had none of those; she likely had an upbringing focused more on whatever people in the house wanted, rather than the extension of that being how does what you want affect the people around you.<br /><br />I had a religious upbringing and a moral one. I have a conscience that is informed in large measure by those 2 things. I don't think you need to have both to have a conscience that keeps you on your toes. Either one will give you the same morality to measure your behavior against.<br /><br />And no one has talked about principles either. They go hand-in-hand with morals of course, but if you can't stand by your own personal principles then any morals you may have will fall by the wayside on the altar of the abandonment of your principles.<br /><br />Phew!Kris, in New Englandhttp://www.noodlingonit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-79736780203554354792010-10-27T07:01:47.217-06:002010-10-27T07:01:47.217-06:00Pure mental masturbation.
Rather like staring at ...Pure mental masturbation.<br /><br />Rather like staring at a double rainbow and crying “What does it mean?”timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-36222973174934580012010-10-27T05:16:47.668-06:002010-10-27T05:16:47.668-06:00Not Wordpress!Not Wordpress!Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10945901944078164054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-71847169348089335562010-10-26T23:07:05.761-06:002010-10-26T23:07:05.761-06:00Coupla things, here....
Neptunus makes the excell...Coupla things, here....<br /><br />Neptunus makes the excellent point that most arguments for atheism are thinly-disguised screeds against religion.<br /><br />Second, that "still small voice" that leaves you feeling uncomfortable when you cheat on your wife is called "conscience," or more simply the awareness of right and wrong. Humans, like it or not, are born with it, which phenomenon Thomas Aquinas characterized as a feature of natural law. Steven Gaskin, that ol' hippie, was even more to the point when he challenged someone with the line "You do too know what I mean."<br /><br />Acknowledgment of something bigger than you are (not to be confused, necessarily, with the public practice of religion) always leads to the realization that there are things like Up and Down. You may choose to ignore that, but don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.Rob De Wittnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-44147981522333174782010-10-26T21:21:42.816-06:002010-10-26T21:21:42.816-06:00It was probably not wise of me to have ventured in...<i>It was probably not wise of me to have ventured into this topic.</i><br /><br />You can venture most anywhere you like in these pages, Lou... at any time. You've always done so with grace and wit.<br /><br />I understand where you're coming from as far as your beliefs go. I also like the fact you respect others' beliefs (or non-belief) as well.<br /><br />Both you and Daph are good people. I love you both. In a sisterly way, of course. <b>;-)</b>Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-1410848653806396032010-10-26T20:49:29.488-06:002010-10-26T20:49:29.488-06:00Buck, It was probably not wise of me to have ventu...Buck, It was probably not wise of me to have ventured into this topic. It is true that people who claim to be religious do not alway behave morally(I mentioned that some secular folk are better than some "religious" folk). But I still think fear of God is important to, well, God fearing people :)<br /><br />Laws often have severe punishment as a deterent to breaking the law. Hopefully when someone is weighing the right or wrong of something, they think, "Hmm, the penalty for that is death or life in prison or 30 days in jail, etc." A Christian should know what God's word says is right or wrong, but sometimes he/she will still waver in their mind - trying to justify what they want with what God says. Hopefully, they think, "Hmm, will this cause separation between me and God, or eternal damnation, or cause someone to stumble, etc." Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom (Psalms and Prov). <br /><br />That's if for me on this topic - don't want anyone to think that I am a fucking zealot.Bag Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01885412195900280096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-70001305283105697722010-10-26T19:21:59.021-06:002010-10-26T19:21:59.021-06:00Wordpress, my dear.
I certainly didn't mean t...Wordpress, my dear.<br /><br />I certainly didn't mean to discount or denigrate Lou's thoughts on the topic and I apologize if my opinion came across that way. She made good points that I'm not in disagreement with overall.<br /><br />She sees things a bit differently than I do and that's fine.Daphnehttp://www.jadedhaven.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-20510487812972532542010-10-26T18:56:52.244-06:002010-10-26T18:56:52.244-06:00This moderation BS is beginning to wear me down. ...This moderation BS is beginning to wear me down. Comments don't seem to appear in a timely manner and that's forcing me to spend more time than I want in the moderation screen. I apologize, yet I still feel this shit is necessary for a lil while more.Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-71081410090351043252010-10-26T18:54:58.469-06:002010-10-26T18:54:58.469-06:00Daph: Lou is a person much like your brother and ...Daph: Lou is a person much like your brother and SIL... quiet in her belief unless asked. That's exactly the type of person I'm on about here: I love 'em to death. We see eye to eye here.Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-37998306132178825602010-10-26T18:52:34.547-06:002010-10-26T18:52:34.547-06:00Bag Blog, I don't believe the fear of God prev...Bag Blog, I don't believe the fear of God prevents people from behaving in an immoral fashion. Their conscience does and that's a distinctly different animal from their soul.Daphnehttp://www.jadedhaven.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-71720617259647351302010-10-26T18:43:39.374-06:002010-10-26T18:43:39.374-06:00There was quite a bit of back 'n' forth on...There was quite a bit of back 'n' forth on your point, Lou. I subscribe to that "little voice" theory as an agnostic. You can call it conscience if you like. I have no fear of God in my life... for better or worse... and one could also make a point that my past behavior contradicts my current position. And you'd be right to bring that up, because it is true. But that said, I'm also the beneficiary of old age, which tends to bring one's moral compass into alignment.<br /><br />I've said this before: I envy people of great faith for their convictions. As far as fidelity in marriage goes... I'm seen too damned many case of unfaithfulness in my time, perpetrated by both the pious and the secular. It all comes down to individuals, unfortunately.<br /><br />"Lord of the Flies" occurred to me, as well, while reading through Lex's comments.Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18232353.post-90285881598673926472010-10-26T18:36:58.531-06:002010-10-26T18:36:58.531-06:00I have a brother and sister-in-law (my husband'...I have a brother and sister-in-law (my husband's brother) who are the most wonderful people I've ever had the good fortune to meet. They are deeply religious (Brethren) but you would never know it by talking to them.<br /><br />They live their beliefs in every step of their lives, but never discuss their religion unless directly asked and even then they are very circumspect. These people don't make references to God, refer to their religious tenets or invoke their beliefs as the basis for their political, social or moral obligations.<br /><br />They're kind people, who are quite happy to take you as you come, providing there is some common ground to be shared. A person's lack of belief or formal religiosity plays no part in how they deal with others. To be honest, they are the only protestant Christians I've ever met who truly embody the ministry of Jesus' words.<br /><br />I have a particular disdain for high-stepping religious zealots of any stripe. I don't care for people who claim to have all the answers, when they clearly don't have a fucking clue.<br /><br />You're non-belief is no skin off my nose, behave within socially accepted norms of morality and we're copacetic in my book.Daphnehttp://www.jadedhaven.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com